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Post subject: Locking forums
 Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 02:07 AM
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Hello. I'm new here. Sorry to start with something basically off-topic, but I'm sorry to see a locked commentary that basically enshrines someone's unfair comment about something that was not a review, then gives that same person the last word and locks the comments, just as I was about to chip in. It was basically unfair from beginning to end, and the comments of the one who criticised the non-review for MENTIONING sidux was poorly taken.
sidux is the best; that interaction was the worst. |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 03:04 AM
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Well, maybe you are right with your position, but the atmosphere seems a little bit heated the last few days here.
So I am not sad to see threads locked with weird opinions, pointless arguments, continuing personal attacks, etc.
But this can happen in the best families, as we say in Germany.
I think the whole thing will calm down within the next few days again.
salute & best wishes to all, cas  |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 08:29 AM
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I think it's rather random which post appears last in a locked thread. The pure locking of the thread is (I guess) supposed to imply that the discussion has gone bad and the *entire* thread is to be disregarded. So there is no "the last one to speak out is right"
By the way: there is a section "Web Site, Forum, Wiki & Manual Suggestions", which would have been more appropriate for this thread |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 10:15 AM
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Moved the sucker to said section.
The thread in question was locked by myself, its not my fault two individuals with enough privilege carried on despite of the lock. Please lets move on from negativity toward something more constructive if we must dwell on current affairs.
I have a theory; Debian sid is in a pseudo-freeze for the Lenny release, and sidux release is slipping behind schedule, and the natives are getting restless ...  |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 11:34 AM
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I have a theory; Debian sid is in a pseudo-freeze for the Lenny release, and sidux release is slipping behind schedule, and the natives are getting restless ... Smile
lolz |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 12:03 PM
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I have a theory; Debian sid is in a pseudo-freeze for the Lenny release, and sidux release is slipping behind schedule, and the natives are getting restless ...
Hey, it's time for a new distro: experimentux
Ciao Martin |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 12:10 PM
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horo wrote:
Hey, it's time for a new distro: experimentux
Ciao Martin
RoFL |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 12:35 PM
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kelmo wrote:
and the natives are getting restless ...
But why? Erebos is doing so well .... it's OK to let it be king of sidux for a while longer. 
When the new release comes out, then I am faced with splash-screen obsolescence again, and have to make that awful choice (again). |
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Posted: Sep 10, 2008 - 02:49 PM
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kelmo wrote:
I have a theory; Debian sid is in a pseudo-freeze for the Lenny release, and sidux release is slipping behind schedule, and the natives are getting restless ...
hehe. I have the same theory. there have always been discussions between individuals here, some friendly, some more heated. but usually people are busy with the nature of sid, that is doing real support or play with the new toys that come in, to care with arguing too much. with the freeze the community got a bit too self-reflecting. I myself stood out of that and got me some stuff from experimental to play with instead
locking threads is always a strong action and will never leave the thread at a fair state or agreement. but if no such thing is in sight and things get more off-topic and personal it is a way to calm things down and prevent that more people get involved in a pointless fight. it also might give the individuals involved the chance to resolve their conflicts in private if they wish to do so. |
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Posted: Sep 11, 2008 - 01:02 PM
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Forum moderation can never be done right, there's always someone who's going to feel pissed off. That shouldn't stop moderators from taking action but some modesty is required. Sometimes it's completely clear that action needs to be taken, often it's a matter of taste with different opinions between moderators and between ordinary users. Ideally, moderation should be as little invasive as possible; moderation is making a forum work but it's not the core business of a forum.
Locking threads is useful when the subject of a thread is wrong from the start. The fine line must be drawn by the people who run this forum but anything racist, sexist or otherwise illegal is something that's perfectly lockable imho.
I can also think of a case is when the subject is outdated. For example: 'Should sid use KDE4' will be irrelevant when KDE4 becomes the default. Similar to a subject like 'Emacs is better than Vi' because it's been debated to death already.
On the other side there'll always be threads going off-topic or degrade otherwise. Often harmless, sometimes veering into a more interesting direction, sometimes going towards a flaming contest that can't be tolerated. Locking is an option but a very heavy course: it prevents further debate on the original subject, as it's generally considered poor etiquette to start a new thread about the subject of a closed thread. In a sense it rewards the people who did "wrong" and punishes those who didn't. In such a case an alternative to locking is splitting a topic: move the offending/ off-topic posts away from the thread to their own topic and lock that one if it's intolerable.
Related is deleting posts. No contest if the post can't be maintained for legal or moral reasons. But deleted posts have a nasty habit of having their content show up in a different place and people who came too late often wonder what exactly it was that needed to be removed. Not everyone is offended by the same kind of material and when a post is removed, it becomes impossible to ask for clarification. Keeping a questionable post is also a way to get to know the author. If from a person only the bad posts are deleted, it's inevitable to get a wrong impression of that person by the people who only see the acceptable material.
Most of the times moderation isn't particularly questioned, especially if it's motivated. Locking threads, deleting posts and banning users are destructive actions, disrupting the forum. Necessary tools but easy to overuse. Splitting is more work for a moderator but is more transparent and leaves a forum intact, including examples of content that went over the line. |
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Posted: Sep 11, 2008 - 03:15 PM
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Opposite to most other ones the sidux forum is following a very liberal and open codecs, which is binding for our users and moderators. We allow very controvert, off-topic and even political and religious discussions. We have banned just 2 members since the very beginning as far as I remember, topic locking does not happen more often than once a month. The average of posts we have to delete (which we have to do strictly for legal reasons only) is not more than 10 in a year.
These numbers - together with the amount and quality of content we have - clearly shows that our moderators do very well. Thanks to those of us who do this nasty and non-rewarding job for our community!
Greetings,
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Posted: Sep 16, 2008 - 02:53 AM
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I was a moderator and admininstrator on several boards. Retired now, thank goodness. To me, the worst moderators are those with strong opinions. They are the very ones who unknowingly stroke the fires by not knowing when to shut up. I always refused to have a moderator on my staff who had either a lot of anger or strong opinions.
A mod is someone who keeps the board running smoothly. End of job description. A mod does their job by being calm and fair. Occasionally they have to be tough, but that should only be on rare occasions. Topics are locked only on rare occasions as well. When I see or hear of a board who has locked topics or deleted topics I know the mods are not doing their job.
I see a lot of mods on a lot of boards who seem to have developed this idea that no one should ever disagree with them. Everyone gets it wrong sometimes. Those moderators who have the courage to admit "just this once I had it wrong" are always some of the best moderators.
Anyway, my 2 cents on the issue. Take it for what it's worth. |
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Posted: Sep 18, 2008 - 01:57 PM
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While users should be able to express their opinions (albeit in a civil manner), flaming and personal attacks do not help sidux at all and we should all try hard to refrain from such things. Moderators themselves who have strong opinions tend to fan the flames even more when that was not intended.
Lets all take a deep breath guys and focus on the good things as this is one of the most mature forums I ever had the pleasure of signing up for
Lets all get along and have fun |
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