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Post subject: When to use Klik, Synaptic, Adept or Aptitude in sidux?
 Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 02:24 AM
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Dear friends:
I appreciate the fact that the best way to upgrade an application is to use apt-get. But I do wonder about the other GUI update tools. I would appreciate a brief explanation of when one can safely use synaptic, adept, aptitude and Klik to upgrade or install individual applications? Especially Klik It's listed under"Applications -- Install More Software" so there must have been a good reason for sidux to include it. Would appreciate a brief clarification about Klik and the other tools.
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Post subject: When to use Klik, Synaptic, Adept or Aptitude in sidux?
Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 02:42 AM
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| Klik's kinda broken on sidux |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 03:15 AM
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Dear friends:
Footnote about Synptic.
I downloaded and installed Synaptic it with apt-get. I won't use it till I hear from our experts at sidux, but I would like to know whether I should select the Unstable distro under Preferences. Is that correct?
Thank you.
Benjamin
P. S. If not done already, may I suggest a brief HOW-TO from sidux on the whole matter of GUI upgrade tools, how and when and where to use them in sidux? |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 03:50 AM
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Never use gui upgrade tools in sidux.
Synaptic is ok for browing around to find packages, but that's about it. Anything that requires other packages from kde or xorg to install, which happens all the time, is not safe to install in GUI.
The sooner you adapt to this idea, the happier your sidux experience will be. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 04:06 AM
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I just use kpakage to brow around for pakages but always use aptitude via command line....I dont allow aptitude to add,hold,remove any pakages I dont want or allow aptitude to do anything on its own.Ya have to edit the options for this,it has a mind of its own by default which I always disable.
What h2 said is true.
As for klik,I never understood its purpose,and always was scared it was some type of spyware..lol. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 04:40 AM
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Ironwalker wrote:
As for klik,I never understood its purpose,and always was scared it was some type of spyware..lol.
The webpage is always slow to load for me, and you can forget about searching for packages. I could build the app from source using two toes and bake a cake (with the remaining free toes) before klik would render a result.
hmmmmmm....cake. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 05:02 AM
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| I always thought that klik was just for live cd |
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sidux uses high compression technology > special care is needed when burning the iso > please burn in DAO-mode, DAO or DIE. NEVER EVER do a apt-get upgrade or use adept, synaptic or aptitude
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 06:48 AM
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Actually klik is kinda neat. Rather than messing with installing pingus and the million dependencies it wanted I just use the klik version.
The Google apps like Googleearth and Picasa are also easy to download and run from klik.
The nice thing about klik is none of the apps, with the exception of browsers , don't tend to mess with anything else. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 07:06 AM
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| If you want to use a GUI package manager, go with synaptic. All the other package managers kind of suck compared to it. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 11:09 AM
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Dear friends:
Thank you all for the excellent, though at times conflicting, testimony and expertise about the GUI package managers. At a bare minimum, I can use Synaptic to give me the names of the files I need to download, then switch to the konsole to actually download and install them with apt-get.
There seems to be a difference of opinion about Klik. Would appreciate a greater clarification from sidux experts about Klik. Thank you all.
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 11:26 AM
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Dear friends:
I have looked at the Klik repositories of software. I see that it basically duplicates what we have in Debian and sidux. So, I have removed Klik from the Menu Editor. It is not even an application, just a URL. That makes it much easier to ignore it.
I looked at the apt-get/Synaptic repositories. The only active ones are two SID repositories. So, it would appear to be pretty safe, I hope, to install individual packages from its database.
I would also like to add other repositories for multimedia, MS True Type fonts, etc. Any suggestions?
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 11:45 AM
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benjamin,
please come to irc #sidux (icon on desktop) to clarify that.
greetz
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 01:57 PM
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There's already an excellent "howto" on dist-upgrade: du-fixes-h2.sh (and read the forums first for current warnings)
The best "how-not-to" is: Don't do it in X!
Synaptic is an excellent GUI to browse upgradable and new, getting package info and quick check on repository status. I too use it (almost daily) but only for that
For many of us it's not a case of fear of the CLI but time spent in textmode only on a single task e.g. downloading upgrades with a slow connection. There are ways round that.
I tend to use "apt-get dist-upgrade -d" this downloads everything as a background job in X then execute at a convenient time from init 3. Often I put very large upgrades like openoffice on hold if they seem not to affect the system in general
Synaptic has a download-only option but I don't even trust that when the job is done from Konsole so easily with minimal risk.
As for other package managers I'm wary of possible conflicts with apt so I stay away from them. |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 04:16 PM
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Dear friends:
Thanks again for the excellent, expert opinion. Will keep it all in mind.
Benjamin |
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Posted: Feb 23, 2007 - 04:42 PM
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klik is nice when you want have the entire app plus dependencies on e.g. a usb-stick to use it together with the liveCD. so you can have your OS on a cd and your toolkit on an usb stick wherever you are.
I would not use it on installed system as there is no upgrade path for klik packages. you would also miss one of debians greatest advantages, apt. |
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